the main thing is that it will be part of russia forever. as much ukraineit wastes. as much will be part of russia, it will not return back anyway, they will find a formula, some referendums, some other something, no one will get away from russia, it will not be possible to ignore it, these are his beliefs, how much he is willing to pay for giving up these beliefs, no, not even from beliefs, from the chance to seize.

russia is throwing millions of petrodollars at turning ukrainians into little russians. ukraine will become russia. let's counter the information attacks of the russians in the project chronicles of the information war with olga len. tuesday, thursday at 17:15 repeat tuesday. friday at 22:00 the channel's information day continues, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky wants to discuss with the president biden's invitation to nato, while donald trump is not yet in the white house. yes, this happened following a meeting with german chancellor candidate friedrich merz in kyiv, i am now quoting the ukrainian president. i am going to call president biden in the near future, if he has the opportunity, talk to me and raise the issue of the invitation to nato, because now he is the acting president of the united states and a lot depends on his position. according to the president of ukraine, with the elected us president donald trump is difficult to say yet, since he has not yet taken up this position and does not have all the legal rights. well, this is an extremely important si

negotiating, it is very important for him, i am saying at the same time, to portray not only ukraine, not only russiaapologize, but also ukraine, uh, that's what it is important, and in this regard i think that he is ready to act in this way, that is, either he chooses the option that he does not abandon ukraine, as he says, look, unity... the ability to ensure peace and reach an agreement, it is not to abandon ukraine, true, but if it is impossible to ensure peace or it follows from this phrase that it is necessary not to abandon it, we have become convinced that it is impossible, we cannot ensure peace, why should we support it, if our goal is unattainable, and then a completely different question arises, much more, i would say realistic, he says that this is a european conflict, he talks about the ba... he talks about ukraine's inability to negotiate, they also turned out to be unable to negotiate, we thought that the russians would be unable to negotiate, but the ukrainians are no less, even more unable to negotiate than putin, and biden did not do what he was supposed to do, and excuse me, we ca

war. for instance, if you tell me that russia invaded ukraine, okay, but can you please tell me what happened before that invasion, can you tell me what happened since 2014? and forward, i mean, i need to know everything about what happened, if you give me just one side of the story, i'm sorry, if i found out i won't trust you anymore, so what you're saying is that the mainstream media doesn't provide deep knowledge for the people, absolutely, absolutely, it's a partial partial information, is unfortunately it's dictated by interests that are not the interests of the community, it's dictated by external interest. i also hear that besides journalism, you also make documentaries, and there's one documentary titled, if i pronounce it correctly, il metodombino, yes, okay, let's take a sneak peek of this documentary, okay, and we'll get back to you. questa discarica che vedete alle mie spalle, questo altopiano di quasi 40 m, è composto prevalentemente da da rifiuti, probabilmente anche da rifiuti tossici, le autorità non lo sanno con certezza perché al momento non è stato possibile e

because the germans, like you know, have their own historical complexes, the german army between ukraine and russiaere's something about this that's not very pleasant for them, but they don't know, nbc, for example, writes that trump is negotiating with the white house and ukraine to end the war, you know, i'm like this i will pay attention, because in fact it seems to me that such things need to be done with russia, and not with ukraine and the white house, because the key, as we have repeatedly said, to the end of the war lies in moscow, and not in kyiv or washington or brussels or anywhere else, i agree, so i also don't really understand why it should be about the russian federation, about ukraine, when all negotiations should be with the russians, but why this is happening, that's also a question, huh. so i think that this also needs to be talked about, we need to think, that is, relatively speaking, we are building such a model now that a simple model, such a simple model that trump sees for himself, but we don't know if putin sees it, we don't know if putin sees it, but we know that it is bei

well, firstly, the war is not in ukraine, but russia against ukraine, the wording itself is of great importance here, and moreover, i, for example, believe that this war of russia, against ukraine. or between russia and ukraine, it has been going on for hundreds of years and will continue as long as russia or ukraine exists, this is obvious, this is not a war of modern times, this is not a war for any specific details that can be discussed now, this is a historical and philosophical war between the empire and ukraine, the ukrainian nation, which decided to be independent, to be self-sufficient and to live in freedom, and not... in the prison of nations, we remember this very well, so of course in the 25th year this war cannot end, freeze, stop, that is, this stage of the war can specifically, and it depends, of course, on many factors, one of the factors is, how the president trump, the elected, elected president trump, will convince putin to stop, because when we talk about freezing, first of all we mean... the aggressor, the aggressor must stop, ukraine did not start this war, ukrai

and i imagine the russia, ukraine conflict this high on that. are you worried about the direction this conflict may go with president trump having been elected the united states and having potentially a softer line on russia than joe biden? have the 1st of all, i would not say that the door from zillow have a softer line on your crime, russia we have not heard fully. his plans or visions for conflict resolution in your speaking go higher fee school, incense, all the political priorities so equal to the phrase it uh for check. yeah. if this uh the tons of bumping bunk. uh the country with the ridges 3, not all of those goats and divorce singles brought by russian control over the the eastern essential part the few of uh, including could the time to go to the walk. yeah. and um, i don't want to repeat that. so for, for this not to have bundled something, something don't, and do you open. architectural security architecture is very important. so if you are behaving like that, you have a munition initiative. you have sunday, the house, a 1000000 shel

if you stop helping ukraine, this automatically means ukraine's defeat and russia's victory. agree with this option? theoretically, you can, because donald trump can always, refusing defeat, help ukraine. to blame the administration of joseph biden for this and say: "you see, i was elected president, when it was too late to change anything, i tried to come to an agreement with vladimir putin, putin did not come to an agreement with me, but ukraine no longer had sufficient resources to resist putin, and therefore , to my great regret, it disappeared from the political map of the world, but we understand very well that not everyone will listen to this level of evidence from trump, and many will say no, you yourself threw them to their fate if you continued. policy of helping ukraine, it would not disappear anywhere and there would be an opportunity to end the war on terms acceptable to ukraine and the west, that's the whole story, it is very simple, it is very logical, and therefore trump really does not have a very large, i would say a window for maneuver, i have no doubt that

russia. let's listen to what he said. i think we see that this is the west putting pressure to help ukraine and weaken russia before negotiations, to send a signal to putin that ukraine has the resources, it is capable of waging war for a certain significant period of time, even under the trump presidency. obviously we see pressure on the ruble, new sanctions against the russian gazprombank. today's new 15th package of sanctions by the european union, there is talk of... sanctions on russian oil, in today's bloomberg article. obviously, putin has problems in syria. we are in the process before the trump presidency, when both sides want to strengthen their positions, show dominant positions before negotiations. in general, observers in the west are already indicating that this is a great success, for example, former us ambassador to russia michael mcfaul called this news extraordinary, very good. and we can say that there is some reassurance ukraine is that it will have funds for the following periods to ensure the functioning of the government, the provision of basic services, as well as defense against russian aggression. than

course since 14 , and perhaps even earlier, you can take money for the nuclear weapons that ukraine transferred to russiastrategic bombers that ukraine transferred, all this can be put into account, but before that, a lot still needs to be done, so if we are talking about the peacekeeping mission itself, we asked a question about peacekeepers, and maybe, maybe i can clarify, very briefly, did i understand correctly that... could now write putin's death into my strategy for returning the occupied territories? well, first of all, president zelensky has already said this phrase that perhaps we will have to wait until someone dies in the kremlin, he obviously meant putin. moreover, since i communicate with europeans, americans, and so on, they really believe that under putin, it will be practically impossible, except by military means, to achieve the re... return of the occupied territories, that is, ukraine, even what a freeze is, freeze - this means sysfiire, just a ceasefire, no more agreements with the putin regime can even be discussed, well, what's the point, they will violate them anyway, and especial

and ukraine, so. so, in order to prevent russiaanging the world as it pleases, the american administration helps ukraine, are there any other options for action, if you can't. pressure on russia otherwise, and russia itself believes that it should continue such a policy, then of course in this situation you continue to help ukraine, if you stop helping ukraine, this automatically means ukraine's defeat and russia's victory. can you agree with this option? theoretically you can, because donald trump can always, refusing to defeat, to help ukraine, blame the administration for it. you see, i was elected president, when it was too late to change anything, i tried to come to an agreement with vladimir putin, putin did not come to an agreement with me, but ukraine no longer had enough resources to hand over to putin, and therefore , to the greatest regret, it disappeared from the political map of the world, but we understand very well that not everyone listens to such level of evidence from trump and many will say no, you yourself threw

encouraging point is that general keith kellogg, whom trump appointed as special representative for ukraine and russia, expressed approval for the accelerated supply of weapons to ukraine. calling it the right step, in my opinion, such a position is promising. first of all, general kellogg is an authoritative figure, and his statements indicate a commitment to the principle of continuity. he speaks of a gradual transfer of authority from the administration. bayde to the trump team, and not about a sharp break or open criticism actions of the current administration, and this adds to the optimism. you also asked a very important question about the trump team's overall plan to end the war. while all the details are still unknown, you are right that there is already a certain outline of this plan. it seems to involve freezing the conflict on the existing lines of demarcation. however, this approach is complicated by the fact that the current lines include ukrainian control over part of russian territory, in the kursk region. this situation gives ukraine a significant advantage. there are arguments both fo

yevgen since we ask our viewers and tv viewers whether, in their opinion, ukraine can make concessions to russia to end the war, i will ask you about this too, whether ukraine can make concessions to russia in order to end the war? the temptation is great, but so is the fatigue, this must also be understood, but we must realize that russia is waging an existential war against us, and i have not yet seen any signal from russian officials that these concessions will yield anything, but simply to make... concessions to weaken our own position, or to make concessions in such a format as putin says, that he is ready to negotiate, as he says, on prior terms, that is, what was discussed in istanbul, i think, is not an option, it is actually a remake of the munich agreement of 1938, and therefore we need to formulate it first. to formulate one's own position, national interests, then to realize what ukrainian society is ready for? i think that volodymyr zelensky, as the most rated politician today, who , although losing his rating, remains the most popular, should initiate a dialogue with ukrainian soci

ukraine did not want to negotiate, that russia has always been ready for them, and ukraine actually even banned negotiations with russia by law, referring to the nsdc resolution, which prohibited negotiations with putin, but he says that russia is ready and willing to return to the istanbul agreements, but taking into account the situation on the battlefield, and in addition, he said that putin is interested in those peace negotiations that were prepared by the countries of the global south: india, china, or... brazil, and he also commented on the losses, said that these losses that he cited donald trump, that this is the ukrainian point of view, according to the russians themselves, the numbers are much different from this, and that, and that the ukrainians themselves lost many times more than the russians, at least that's what the kremlin thinks, and well, the usual rhetoric that we hear from russia tanya, this is not the first time, thank you for this analysis, tatyana voroshko was in touch with us. ukrainian journalist natalia homanyuk, co-founder of the project on russian war crimes

, but ukraine says that membership in the alliance is the only real protection against putin’s russiaout nato or nuclear weapons , ukraine remains vulnerable. the search for new guarantees, like war, continues. and that’s all we have time to tell you today. subscribe to our social media pages so you don't miss the most important news, we are on facebook, instagram and tiktok, you can watch our episode on youtube if you... miss it on air, and we 'll be on air tomorrow at 9, take care of yourself. this week's talk show, judging by everything, is gaining new information dynamics, if i may say so, but can all the hopes of the west or the next president of the united... donald trump to resolve the situation in ukraine really come true, given vladimir putin's position, this one of the main issues that we will talk about today in the project says velyky lviv, traditionally every thursday at 21:15 on the espressu tv channel, we welcome all our viewers and begin with a conversation with vitaly portnikov, a journalist, writer, tv presenter, publicist and political commentator. mr. vitaly, this

ukraine. if kyiv agrees to enter into peace talks with russia, the us will continue to arm ukraine to deter russiaonvince russia to take part in the negotiations, kelach proposed to postpone ukraine's nato membership for a long period in exchange for a comprehensive and verifiable agreement with security guarantees. kelach told the voice of america in july about his plan. you either have to find a way to stop the war, or you want it to go on forever. this does not mean that ukraine surrenders, this does not mean that they give up territory, nothing like that. in his plan and public statements kelo criticized the biden administration for not doing enough to provide military support to ukraine. evelyn farke, who was in charge of russia and ukraine policy in the obama administration's department of defense, agrees. general kelo has published a document in which he rightly points out some of the weaknesses of the current and previous administrations. i think the trump administration is off to a good start in terms of appointing a capable expert, which also shows that they see the priority on this issu

, well, obviously these questions, whether any compromise is possible and whether ukraine can make concessions to russiall be discussed during the current visit of the ukrainian delegation to washington, because the head of the office of the president of ukraine went there today. andriy yeermak, and also together with the minister of foreign affairs , minister of defense rustem umerov , and deputy prime minister and minister of economy yulia sverodenko, there, as nv writes, our delegation will meet with the entourage of the newly elected president donald trump, and it is clear that one of the people, obviously, with whom he will speak is cat kellogg, retired, but the person who will be responsible for the relations of the united states of america with russia and ukraine, he is nominated for the position of special representative or special envoy for ukraine and russia, today, keith kellogg gave a rather harsh response to konstantin malofeev, a russian oligarch, who said that the kremlin would never... go for some kind of war freeze, that the war would continue, keith kellogg said that he should go back

what does it mean if we see russia over, sorry, ukraine, seating territory to russia, something that has been a no go for a large part of the ukrainian population and also for the ukrainian military. with that, put an end to a lot of our zalinski as the country's leader to think well, that's a very good question because we need to look at a president savanski is reading so especially since may of this year. because um, obviously ukraine should have had the elections and from my understanding and flooring, also the queen in media um his readings have full and he has full in popularity, especially if you compare it to a general level. there is a lovely and so i have this and sation that the ukranian people are becoming tire, then we're seeing it also in terms of the recruitment, the military recruitment that is not working out as planned. so it seems that they are much more willing to accept and, and to the conflict, whatever it looks like, just to stop this war and just stop whatever is going on in your grant. because it's not just the more that's polygons of people, but also the econ

[applause] victory in ukraine. russia's all-out war in ukraine will have been going on for three years. of course, the russian aggression against ukraine started almost 11 years ago. the annexation of crimea. the war in eastern ukraine. victory in ukraine. my first question for the panel, explain what victory in ukraine means. how would you define it? most allies have yet to do it. the definition of victory. >> thank you. let me first go back to the introductory video. it really stirred a lot of emotion in me. one of my most recent visits to ukraine was in april on the catholic easter. on easter monday, i joined the ceremony of the opening of his shelter. a jewish settlement in kyiv. we celebrated the rabbi's birthday. on my most recent visit, i attended the vigil of one of his sons who died. a lot of emotion here. victory means protecting values. restoring sovereignty integrity and political independence to ukraine. that is the ultimate goal. i know that does not happen overnight. if wars are not won in the first few days

will these funds ensure ukraine's ability to resist russia next year? maria the us treasury department said in a statement that these funds will allow ukraine to provide emergency services, emergency response services, hospitals and everything ukraine needs to resist. russian aggression. serhiy marchenko, the minister of finance of ukraine, in an interview with the media, stated that ukraine is provided with defense needs for the next year, and economic needs are provided for half of the year. i talked to the british economist timothy ash, who usually emphasizes that ukrainian needs are much greater. he is somewhat disappointed with this particular step of the g7, this step of the us, because the allies will not dare. to confiscate the very body of frozen russian assets, which would amount to 300 billion dollars and would provide more assistance to ukraine than this $50 billion loan. something is better than nothing, that's the reality. i'm disappointed that all the attention has gone to this loan, and therefore there's no attention to the body of asset

however, as ukrainians well know, russia does not control all of these areas. putin is demanding that ukraine retreat, effectively handing over to russia the lands it has failed to conquer. these lands have remained outside of russian control thanks to ukraine’s successful resistance. such a demand is not a serious proposal, but rather a brazen attempt to force ukraine to surrender. general kellogg was recently asked in an interview about these russian demands, and his answer was extremely telling. he said that the russians should think twice. in essence, he clearly made it clear that if they think they can intimidate donald trump, or force him to accept russia's maximalist position as a starting point, they are deeply mistaken. i appreciated his response, it was tough, decisive and effectively confronted russian arrogance. however, trump's position remains unclear at the moment, no one can say what it will ultimately be. however, what is currently emerging shows the potential for implementation. the key element is not so much the line ceasefire, as much as the principle that the west should

american tv channel fox news by the appointed special envoy of the future 47th us president for ukraine and russiacording to him, donald trump promised to end this war, and he will end it. at the same time, mr. kellogg also expressed confidence that both ukraine and russia are also ready to start peace talks. and then a very short quote from keith kellogg. i think that both sides are completely ready. well, let me remind you that the day before, bloomberg released information. that this special envoy keith kellogg will come to kyiv in january and that he may also go to moscow, but if he is invited there and comes to kyiv, he will go to gather information and also to moscow, perhaps, if invited, he will also go to gather information. over the past two years, the russian leadership has not wanted to talk about ending the war, which it treacherously started almost three... years ago in ukraine, but in the administration of the elected president of the united states america donald trump has every chance to change this. us secretary of state antony blinken said this during a speech at the council on in

it is critical that we never recognize russia’s illegal claims to ukrainian territory. ukraine’sonal borders have been formally defined, including in russia. we must stand by that position and take security seriously. earlier this week, i had two days of intensive meetings with ukrainians, including former foreign minister dmytro kuleba, hryhoriy nemyrei, and others. these discussions also included former us deputy secretary of state, steve biegun, representatives of finland, poland, france and other americans. we will discuss in detail... these very issues, and our conclusions can be found on the atlantic council website. it was a serious discussion that covered many of the critical topics that you raised. so we really came to the conclusion that ukraine's membership in nato should be part of the victory, because it is a kind of gold standard. we cannot negotiate ukraine's membership in nato with... russia and we should never recognize the annexation russia of ukrainian territory, neither now nor in the future. the ceasefire line may be only one element, but we must remain true

ukraine or russia is growing. the new european commissioner for defense, the representative of lithuania, andrius kubilius, reported in his x, the former twitter, about his first conversation in office with the minister defense of ukraine rustem umerov. ukraine's ability to defend itself is a significant contribution to europe's readiness for the most extreme potential situations of a military nature. - wrote andrius kubilius. and a group of far-right deputies of slovakia. led by the vice-speaker and leader of the nationalist party sns, andriy danko , is preparing to go to moscow. according to danko, in moscow he wants to meet with the head of the russian duma vyacheslav volodin and with the russian minister of industry denis manturov and talk about a quote about cooperation in the energy sector. earlier, a visit to moscow has already disgraced ljuboš blaha, an mep from the party of the prime minister of slovakia robert fico, fico himself said that he wants to watch the parade on red square in moscow in 2025. about

it was five to one russia to ukraine, seven to one russia to ukraine, seven to one, eight to one but rent now and there is parity with shells and attack drones. however, russia seems to have the momentum on their side and definitely making progress. it is very slow and incremental but they are making progress. ukraine has a very big problem with manpower and it is trying to address this problem but has not sufficiently done that, especially on the infantry side. ., ., side. one month left of president _ side. one month left of president biden - side. one month left of president biden in - side. one month left of. president biden in office, questions of american support a month from now. to expect kyiv to make any big moves before president biden leaves the white house? i president biden leaves the white house?— president biden leaves the white house? ., �* ~ white house? i don't think the resident white house? i don't think the president will _ white house? i don't think the president will do _ white house? i don't think the president will do anything - white house? i don't think the

is at war against ukraine, and it is obvious that russia and after the end of hostilitiesll doesn't, she hates. ukraine wants our state not to exist. in such conditions, no matter how much we build our own army, but as long as they have nuclear weapons, we don't have them, we will not have security. therefore, ukraine has two ways: either we become a member of nato, an alliance in which nuclear weapons are present, and thus we have, not our own weapons, but the weapons of our allies and their obligations to use all possibilities for our defense, or, if we are not accepted into nato, then we have no other choice but to try to recreate nuclear weapons and become a nuclear power ourselves, because otherwise we will never have parity with russia. i emphasize that the best option is nato membership. and if i were to choose between these two options, i would choose nato membership, because the path to nuclear weapons is very difficult, to put it mildly, but if they don't give us nato membership, i simply don't understand, what else can we do? well, obviously wait for trump to co

towards russia and ukraine, it is clear that all this pre-election rhetoric is probably not inappropriate now, and to say that he will stop russia's war against ukraine in 24 hours is already unrealistic it looks like trump will have enough strength to stop putin, you know, when i analyze... by the way, i'm trying to sit, so to speak, in the place of the current american administration and trump himself, what he says, he says: "i want to be great and write my name among the outstanding american presidents, like reagan, or to be on par with leaders like churchill and so on and so on, great, well then..." you have to be someone, you you have to be a winner, well, because if you want to make america great again, you have to take big, powerful, serious, responsible, maybe even, sometimes to some extent, difficult, but appropriate steps that trump, his advisors, are proposing, well, if you look at it from this point of view, so that he loses, because they are proposing we... let's restore, there is some nonsense written there in one of the plans, let's restore diplomatic relations with russia,

without ukraine, russia is not russia. and this is also such an important point. therefore, we will need to fight for a permanent model for resolving this situation, which will allow us to at least say that 20 years, well, at least those people who live in ukraine today will live without war, without new bombing, without new expectations of anxiety. of course, they can. leave this war to their grandchildren, but you already know this, historical process, no one knows who leaves what to whom, but in order to ensure a peaceful life for the people who live here, it is necessary, at least an agreement that can guarantee ukraine a peaceful life for 20, 25 years, although in such a situation, it is clear that in 20, 25 years the russians will not give up on this, but to move time for new... stunning tragic trials for a long time, at least to give the grandchildren the opportunity to prepare for a new hellish war, this is an important task for everyone who lives in ukraine and thinks about the future, about a peaceful future, the russians will not be vaccinated against w

vitaliy, as far as i understand, this absolutely fits into the concept of russia's war against ukraine, well, it's essentially a war, just one that they 're waging in the rear, traditional, russian terror, the one that you and i... we know well, it's not invented by russia, as they say, anew, it's just extrapolated to current conditions, and unfortunately, from time to time, at least they manage to do it, as you generally analyze the fact that such cases are becoming more and more, and about the involvement, actually through social networks, young people from ukraine who are ready to do this against their country, well, it seems to me that... external history is connected with the general, i would say, trend towards internal destabilization of ukraine. and by the way, we must clearly realize that if we live to some kind of truce, uh, to some kind of freezing of the conflict, then internal destabilization will become the main, i would say, such a factor in the actions of the russian federation against ukraine. we are fine. that the russian federation, if it suddenly agrees to freeze the

russia is specifically forcing ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table in order to impose on it a list of our obligations to russia, and russia will never fulfill a single point of its obligations to ukraine, none. i, i, i asked the question not about russia. and can we afford to be free from influence western partners. no need to talk about russia, there is no russia. we can say, sir. americans, we don't care about your point of view, we are not interested in the point, but bearing in mind that suddenly the americans will stop financial assistance, suddenly the europeans will stop military assistance, then what to do? i answer, mr. mykola, we should not care about western assistance , but about the western position, because it is the west and nato member countries, except for one country. the usa, and also hungary and slovakia are helping us and assuring us that they will help ukraine for the entire 25th year and as long as it takes to defend its sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, at least within the limits that it has. the problem here is with the united state

from the nominees for positions in trump's team, is it clear what his will be policy towards russia and ukraineclear that all this pre-election rhetoric is probably not inappropriate now, and to say that he will stop russia's war against ukraine in 24 hours already looks unrealistic, will he... will trump have enough strength to stop putin? well, you know, when i analyze these things, i try to sit, so to speak, in the place of the current american administration and trump himself. what is he saying? he says: i want to be great and write my name among the great american presidents. such as reagan or to be on a par with such leaders as churchill and so on and so on, great, well then you have to be someone, you have to be a winner, well because if you want to make america great again, you have to make it great, powerful, serious, responsible, maybe even, sometimes to some extent and not easy, but responsible. the steps that trump, his advisors are proposing, well if you look at it from this point of view, then for him to lose, because they are proposing, let's let's restore, there's some nonsense

last week, president biden authorised ukraine to fire us supplied missiles into russia. o that at this stage? and what does it mean? is it going to help ukraine orjust lead to more pressure? the rationale that was offered by the biden administration, as i understand it, and i haven't been out of, out of government for for two years. so this is my understanding was that they were responding in part to an escalation by the russian federation in introducing north korean troops into the conflict. um, in russia, the russia—ukraine war. so, uh, it was a step that i think should have been taken sooner. uh, and it allows ukraine to better defend itself. i don't think, as secretary austin has said, the current secretary of defence, i don't think it's a so—called game changer that's going to turn the tide in the war for for ukraine. but it's certainly a step in the right direction. is there anything else that president biden can do between now and inauguration day to help ukraine? uh, well, as i understand it, they are continuing to push out equipment and other resources that have